"Bop Kabala and Communist Jazz," by Tim Lieder

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"Bop Kabala and Communist Jazz," by Tim Lieder

Post by Kenwood on Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:57 pm

Anyone wishing to add some thoughts about this particular story and/or author, feel free to do so here. Praise and criticism is encouraged equally, but please keep the latter on the constructive side.

BEWARE OF SPOILERS!

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Post by steven pirie on Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:24 am

A good opening to issue 3. I rather like the way the horror in this is nicely understated.

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Post by Kenwood on Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:33 pm

I love this story. I thought it would be a good opening because it has such a great rhythm to it. To me, it's got a musical quality to it, if that makes sense. It's a great story, but the flow of the words is so catchy.

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Post by Mercedes on Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:28 pm

There are stories and we fight over and stories that we don't. This one was one that we fought over, hard. It's absolutely fantastic, and I screamed out loud when we decided to accept it. No joke. Very Happy

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Post by steven pirie on Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:32 pm

Oh, melodramatic you... Laughing

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Post by Shiney on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:34 pm

It was tough.
I liked it outright, but couldn't decide if it was right for us so I sat on the fence.
Then Merc would praise it and then I'd be all gung-ho again. Then she'd be unsure.
Then Ken would be touting it and then we'd all get hestiant. We eventually decided it must fucking rock to make us this antsy about it.

I don't remember Nick's feelings, but in the end, it won us all over. And THAT is hard to do. headbang

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Re: "Bop Kabala and Communist Jazz," by Tim Lieder

Post by Kenwood on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:17 am

Here are my initial thoughts on the story:

Man, I didn't like this at first. Then I loved it. Then I disliked it again. Then I loved it. It's so rapid fire, you know? So flippant, so different in style that it's almost offensive. But by the end, I fucking loved it.
I think I said something similar to Tim when we finally accepted it. I still believe it, too. And like I said above, there's a musical quality to this one. It's totally punk rock.

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Re: "Bop Kabala and Communist Jazz," by Tim Lieder

Post by Guest on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:05 pm

Tim's story reminds me of a dystopian version of Jack Kerouac’s On the Road, with Ed K. as Dean Moriarty and the admiring narrator as Sal Paradise. It definitely has a Kerouac flavor to it, what with the jazz, the girl, and the odd characters of the church... all accessible from the road and promising kicks of various sorts.

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Re: "Bop Kabala and Communist Jazz," by Tim Lieder

Post by Kenwood on Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:29 pm

I would say it's definitely twisted, and despite Ed K's arrogance, he's a scary character. I agree it's not horror, but there is definitely horror lurking on the fringe.

It's an uncomfortable story.

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Re: "Bop Kabala and Communist Jazz," by Tim Lieder

Post by Paul Walters on Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:05 pm

Kenwood wrote:It's an uncomfortable story.
I finished this story last night, and was just coming in to say almost this exact thing. It's not horror in the traditional (or even non-traditional) sense, but the sense of dread you feel throughout the whole thing is palpable. I finished reading it and felt like I needed to go take a shower. It wasn't perfect, but any story that can draw that kind of reaction from me is a success in my book.

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Post by Mercedes on Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:20 am

Ah, shiny knife houses. This is my favorite cover ever.

This story definitely isn't straight up horror, but it elicited strong emotion out of me, and that rocks. Cleverly written and just very, very cool. Sorry you didn't like it, K, but different strokes. Smile

Except that I just wrote that as "different storks." Which is an entirely different subject.

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Re: "Bop Kabala and Communist Jazz," by Tim Lieder

Post by Tim Lieder on Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:10 am

I hesitate to respond because it's a story and everyone's taste is different and if you don't like it, you don't like it. But I'm not dumping on religion or the meaning of life in the story. I am using the hellfire and brimstone style of sermon for the ending in the same way that I'm using the Kerouac On the Road hipster speak at the beginning.

And Ed K. does do some pretty horrible things in the story for the simple fact that people find him so enthralling that they are eager to listen to him. Even the narrator is lying on his behalf throughout the book.

Regardless, I'm actually very happy that I managed to resist my main impulse which was to make the story about a couple of guys who kill a hitchhiker.

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Post by scottmitchell74 on Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:48 pm

Interesting little story. Sometimes odd-ball and/or slow-burners work for me (The Road) and sometimes they just irritate me because they never get anywhere. This story works for me, I think, because it's a short story. It had that odd-ball slow-burner feel, but "got it over with" so to speak.

Ed K. seems like a very interesting character, and I wouldn't mind seeing more from him.


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